Normalna rodzina to 2+3

pewnie, ze nie ma obowiazku posiadania wiekszej ilosci dzieci i oby tego nigdy nie zmieniano. Wydaje sie jednak, ze wystarczyloby zmienic warunki, zapewnic kobietom powrot do pracy po urodzeniu dziecka (faktyczny, nie na papierze), zmienic przepisy, dopasowac do zmieniajacego sie swiata i problem sam by zniknal. Wiele osob chce miec wiecej dzieci, ale sie boi obciazen finansowych. Boi sie, ze nie dadza rady wychowac wiekszej gromadki jednoczesnie nie spadajac ponizej minimum socjalnego..

Ty...literkowy? Ile masz lat? CoTy wiesz o komunie? Bo o kapitalizmie to widze, ze rowniez niewiele...

W Anglii są tzw benefity, opłaca się się po prostu rodzić. Jednak to już jest trochę nieetyczne, czasami mam wrażenie,że kobiety rodzą,żeby dostać zasiłek. Zresztą to nie jest odosobnione zjawisko w UK. Chodziło mi raczej o przyczyny inne niż materialne.

2+3 on sierota ona jedynaczka +teściowie + pies razem 5 nowoczesna rodzina w PL ich nie stać na mieszkanie, więc mieszkają u teściów a pies pilnuje tej budy, żeby się nie rozsypała od awantur

niech cię nie interesuje ile ja mam lat. a o kapitalizmie to się raczej nie wypowiadaj skoro ty go u nas widzisz. jeżeli chodzi o analizę stanu obecnego to masz wiele racji. natomiast proponowane przez ciebie rozwiązania: więcej bardziej restrykcyjnych przepisów, zasiłków i władzy biurokratów to jest to po prostu śmieszne. bo taka jest właśnie przyczyna obecnych problemów.

materialne przyczyny sa jednak sporym motorem. Niekoniecznie rodza z wyrachowania (choc i tacy sie zdarza, pewnie ze tak), ale dlatego, ze sie nie boja, nie dadza rady zapewnic dziecku nie tylko pozywienia, ciuchow i wozka, ale pozniej tez wyksztalcenia... Skonczyly sie czasy bezmyslnego produkowania dziecki pod haslem "dal Bog dzieci, to da i na dzieci". Teraz myslu sie przed, nie po fakcie. A ze z tego myslenia nie wynika, niz optymistycznego...no to mamy wynik - coraz nizszy wskaznik urodzin...

hm, a moze powinno byc tak: "...dopasowac do zmieniajacego sie swiata..." ­ Mhm, akurat Polska się gdzieś 'dopasuje', dobry żart. ­

''oplaca sie rodzic'' to kolejna skrajność niby biznesowa. kobieta to nie krowa ze jej prokreacja ma sie oplacac jak intratna lokata. ma prawo decydowac o tym ile chce miec dzieci. minely te czasy w ktorych o wartosci kobiety swiadczylo ile potomstaw wyda tym samym spedzajac wieksza czesc zycia przy zasranych pieluchach i garach zatracajac przez to cala siebie. teraz jest w tej kwasti wiecej rownwagi a z czasem moze miec wiecej ochoty zajac sie wnukami

literkowy, wychowalam sie w socjalizmie, mature zdawalam po 89. Widze roznice obu systemow. A Ty "lecisz" na lekturach pisowych, prawda? Samodzielnie wnioskow wyciagac nie potrafisz.

selafi czytaj ze zrozumieniem Pisałam o Anglii, nawet powstał żart na temat polek rodzących w Anglii. Zresztą młode angielki nie są lepsze, ponieważ zachodzą w ciąże młodo,żeby cale życie przesiedzieć na garnuszku meża-chłopak i państwa. Nie o takie pobudki mi chodzi.

"oplaca sie rodzic" w bardziej ogolnym tych slow znaczeniu. Cala Europa staje sie powoli kontynentem ludzi starych. Polska rowniez bierze udzial w tym procesie. Umieramy. Jesli tego nie zmienimy...coz...chyba nie trzeba tlumaczyc do czego to nas doprowadzi?

Rogera, z tymi benefitami to w cale nie jest taj fajnie, ja na dziecko dostaje 80 f miesiecznie...i nie stać mnie na kolejne, ostatnio kolezanka wyjechała z tekstem jaj mi dobrze w tejże anglii na idziecko kasę daja, już.mi zbrzydlo tłumaczyć..ludzie zapominają o oplatach , jedzeniu, ubraniach i innych pierdolach...

"ich nie stać na mieszkanie, więc mieszkają u teściów" 123 no właśnie o tym piszę. propaganda "niezależności" nakłania ludzi aby nie bacząc na nic koniecznie wyprowadzali się od rodziców. w takich warunkach mają 2 możliwości: 1 wynając mieszkanie 2 wziąć kredyt na kilkadziesiąt lat po zrealizowaniu którejkolwiek z nich faktycznie na dzieci ich nie stać ale za to zarabiają sobie banki i deweloperzy. co śmieszniejsze te same banki które udzielają dzieciom 30 letniego kredytu hipotecznego jednocześnie oferują rodzicom tzw "odwróconą hipotekę" czyli pewną kwotę pieniędzy w zamian za mieszkanie które dostaną po ich śmierci. no i w ten sposób golą rodzinę dwa razy. nic dziwnego że robią co mogą aby przekonać ich że "niezależność" jest najważniejsza i koniecznie od starych się trzeba wyprowadzić. choćby do "mikroapartamentu" wielkości łazienki w domu rodziców. ale "niezależność" pełna. :D

fyhcgy Wierzę Ci, ale widzisz jakie skrajności wychodzą. Dlatego pisałam o niematerialnych aspektach za nie posiadaniem większej ilości dzieci. Jedna rodzina będzie szcześliwa żyjąc skromnie, ale nie w ubóstwie, a drugiej pomimo ogromnych czasem zarobków będzie zawsze mało.

"A Ty "lecisz" na lekturach pisowych, prawda?" Samodzielnie wnioskow wyciagac nie potrafisz." 123 no bo przecież pis to główny orędownik kapitalizmu, jakże by inaczej. :D takie są twoje "wnioski" że kto nie kocha całym bolszewickim serduszkiem obecnego systemu przekręciarzy to "pisowiec, pislamista, pisuar". oczywiscie "samodzielnie wyciągnięte".

No to ja się bardzo, bardzo cieszę ponieważ mam normalną rodzinę.

@gsdfgs aj ty łobuzie.......

taaaa.... Dobranoc

Co poradzić czasy takie, że muszą 2 osoby pracować a kobiety leniwe więc ciężko stworzyć rodzine nie mówiąc o tylu dzieciach

"Cala Europa staje sie powoli kontynentem ludzi starych" 123 bo "cała europa" i "cała ameryka" stała się socjalistyczna. a ten ustrój prowadzi do nieuchronnego upadku, "kryzys" to dla niego chleb powszedni ale władzunia przekonuje naiwnych ze "to tylko przejściowe trudności". tak było w prlu i zsrr, tak jest i teraz w UE. różnice są tylko w drobiazgach ale stary dowcip jeszcze z czasów komuny: 123 pytanie: na polu gniją buraki i ziemniaki, co zbiera się najpierw. odpowiedź: najpierw zbiera się plenum partii. 123 jest aktualny i dzisiaj z tym tylko że zamiast plenum mamy "szczyt" albo inną "komisję".

@gsdfgs"tak było w prlu i zsrr, tak jest i teraz w UE. różnice są tylko w drobiazgach ale stary dowcip jeszcze z czasów komuny: 123 pytanie: na polu gniją buraki i ziemniaki, co zbiera się najpierw. odpowiedź: najpierw zbiera się plenum partii." x ten blysk intelektualny jest unikalny i z niczyim nie da sie go pomylic

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